Github Copilot is a dumb little shitstain

For the past years I've been trying to periodically give a go to various copilots every time they made an announcement like "our next version will replace programmers, it will make singularity look like child toys"

Unfortunately and unpleasantly, in 2025 copilot is the dumbest shit ever and even junior coworkers can produce better code.

I can make it do only bovine code like class mapping and simpleton tasks.

Delusional

AI gets worse and worse over time

every time AI peeks into public consciousness it's like this

I can't tell if they degrade or humans just evolve past them and bore of them

You have to keep on typing and typing until it understands you and then tab to oblivion. I'm amongst the 0.10% hardcore tabbers: https://codeium.com/profile/retoor.

Codeium learns your writing style amongst the whole project and if you program consistent, you get autocomplete of a whole function in exactly your style of writing often. I was working on an API client. The AI had quite some methods as example. I added one method called 'delete_comment' -> tab -> done. Since the API was consistent, that was correct too. Am i lazy? Nope, i'm among the 0.55% coders spending the most time too :) So i do tab tab tab very long.

You were totally right about the LLM and angular in some posts ago. By much coincidence a friend of mine complained about angular support using LLM too. He used qwen2.5(30b?). It does indeed say smth about angular I guess.

@jestdotty what AI? GPT is quite consistent, we keep running on a model from past year. I don't use the 1o. I use 4o. My kind of questions don't need reasoning and else I do the reasoning myself :P

@retoor I don't wanna pay money for auto complete

I did have a trial for a bit but it was spotty if it got things right or not. it started great then made mistakes later it had no issues with before

also if its code suggestions are so garbage and my code is so much better, and if I'm paying, it feels weird because it's like I'm teaching it how to code better and it's asking me for money for the privilege. feels so cucked

makes me think there should be code complete exclusively trained on code of a specific language and nothing else. that would probably be vastly better. just fast Google search for code snippets, and the model should be small and fast because not much went into it. does it even need to be a model? could be markov!

@retoor it happened last time AI popped up in the internet consciousness with Bing putting it on Twitter

it seems to be irrelevant of model. all of them degrade over time. seems to be fundamental to how they're built somehow. it's like they disintegrate

@jestdotty if the ai learns from it's input, does that mean if you interact with it and it gets dumber..

Nvm.. I won't go there..

@DarkMukke lol well it ceased guessing my code. so it wasn't learning from it

they seem to disintegrate over time. it's like too much training data gives them hallucinations. they fracture somehow

@jestdotty you don't have to pay. Codeium is free plugin for vim and vscode. No ads, nice stats, fast.

It looks like people (normies) aren't praising it to high jesus any more and becoming disillusioned. And I think that's causing a recovery in the dev industry, but I haven't looked at the numbers.

@jestdotty If the AI learns from its self, it will start to degrade

@retoor unfortunately copilot has learned the patterns from works client's shit repos any recommendations or “just switch?”

@BordedDev it seems mostly the train on your own codebase so in general it's not shit I guess. Try codeium for free! I use free version too. I have no idea why someone would do paid. No ads, works also under vim (I use vim and vscode). I have no idea what they could do better. Maybe code generation is limited or so? I don't use it for that. For code examples I use Chatgpt. My love for it is based only on autocomplete.

@retoor Sure, I guess if you were in a corporate env it would probably be perfect since it keeps a consistent style, but these repos were made by “cheap” contractors, and I'm a contractor coming to fix it (aka I touch a lot of different code styles). I wish I could limit it what it can learn from, since it also infects cross language.

I'll try codeium again, last time I used it was a lot worse than copilot (~2 years ago or however long copilot was announced)

@BordedDev don't that shit snoops your code and send it to them?

Not nice

@IHateFrameworks You can opt out, I use the companies' license

@BordedDev ouch, two years is like 100 in AI world. Well, I'm very interested in your opinion soon. If it got better and how it is in relation to copilot.

@retoor I'll let you know, preference of how long? (since it needs to “warm up”) That's also why I mentioned how long ago it was

@BordedDev I have no idea how long warm up period takes. I know a lot of my head and just kept trough typing and at a certain moment I could do tabtabtab. I just ignored it at first. I thought it was interesting what it came up with anyway. Thinking about why 😁

@retoor Probably because it's like peer coding, one who gets smarter. And can show where certain issues are, had it find some kinda obvious bugs when telling it to generate tests for my v0.1 work

@retoor ok found codium but now it wants an account -.-

gross

@jestdotty yes, it keeps stats. That's one of the good parts.