Today I've had the pleasure of wrapping my brain around shell-quoting in all its insane glory

Cool! But it's quite straightforward..

- ´ -- legacy af, never use them
- ' -- shell won't touch anything inside, ie you will have what you have. No interpolation, no nothing
- " -- shell will interpolate whatever shell expressions it finds inside

there's not much more to it than that...

@netikras that's true, but he probably needs to swap between ' and " to nest some strings or smth. That can be annoying.

Just use some shlex! Python:

import shlex

In [4]: shlex.quote("HHa 'aaaa' \"aaa\" ")

Out[4]: '\'HHa \'"\'"\'aaaa\'"\'"\' "aaa" \''

i like that

@retoor babe can we have schlex

(that was a joke)

@netikras what do «» quotes do?

@kiki not quotes. Angle brackets. They are stream redirection operators, much like in c++.

@netikras those are Cyrillic кавычки-ёлочки, and I doubt they are part of any C++ spec. Did you mean >>?

@kiki there's a variety of its uses. Single > ensures an empty file and streams stdout into it. Double >> -- ensures a file and does thd same [not necessarily empty, ie O_APPEND -- appends to a gile if it already exists].

< -- streams file contents into stdin [for some command].

<<< -- streams following string contents into stdin. So you can compile some input in your script into a ctring and feed itninto some command's stdin.

<< -- allows you to compose a literal multiline string and feed it into stdin; terminated by a customizable terminator [immediately following the << notation]. Also called Heredocs

<(command) -- translates into a command's stdout file [in the /proc filesystem]. I often use it for ´diff´, as it only accepts files and I sometimes need to diff command outputs

@kiki yes, that's what I meant. I assumed a genuine qn with a typo, not a troll question

@netikras oh come on, this wasn't even trolling 😅 just a bad joke

@kiki in high and low level. Then the bashing starts.

@netikras I do know this stuff but don't use << but use piping to redirect command output to stdin. If I use `cat source.c | ./r --stdin` I can let r review or refactor a whole file based on how to it's configured in .rcontext.txt. With r you can make all sorts of AI applications, ther is a free version that doesn't require an api key right here: https://molodetz.nl/retoor/r. You can make spam filters, review tools and refactor / grammar fix / translation / branding tools in minutes. The possibilities are endless. Does require python 3.14-dev package tho :( Will remove that requirement asap, will do other solution for tooling than python. I assumed that my C application would be very powerful with python plugin but the dev dependency of specific version only causes issues on other people's pc.

You know how ' are used to keep shell from touching the containing string in any way, right?

What effed me up is that in bash, if you prepend the first apostrophe with a dollar sign, it overrides that and turns on escape sequence translation within the string

$ echo 'foo\nbar'
foo\nbar
$ echo $'foo\nbar'
foo
bar

@netikras (stuff...) literally means "run wtv the fucks in there" , { stuff... } does the same with the added "don't you touch my shit"

@retoor I usually do `<c-r>=lua string.format("%q", [[some 'nasty"stringfuck/\]])`

Though 'read' instead of "run" fits best

@kobenz not just that. () runs in a subshell, meaning once you leave (), any variables or whatever you set/export inside parentheses will no longer be available outside them.

{} is a simple code block with full access to 'parent' scope/vars/envs. {} is just a convenience allowing you to run multiple commands/subscript as one unit and treat it as such [pipe stdout/err/in, handle exit code]

@kobenz why do you say {} is 'dont touch my shit'? I'd say it's the other way around, unless we mean different things

@netikras cuz `()` is an actual operator not just syntax

@netikras learned a bash thing again. You're just spreading the word of hash huh?

@retoor I guess... :)

using subshells I have implemented multithreading in bash. It's a powerful tool. So why not...

@netikras Implement promishes in bash :P If IIRC someone made a web server that performed quite good in bash. I think you're capable of that too based on your source. Point is, bash seemed to be fast in it.

@retoor I have a webserver built in bash. Though it's single-threaded, didn't invest more time in it :)

@retoor
bthread: https://github.com/netikras/bthread

log4b: https://github.com/netikras/log4b

bthrow: https://gitlab.com/netikras/bthrow

bhttp: https://gitlab.com/netikras/bhttp

/dev/rant: https://gitlab.com/netikras/...

you might find some of those worth looking into

@netikras I do, I love creative homebrew stuff. I normally do like to do some review but i'm not good enough in bash. Does coding preferences for it even exist?

@retoor shellcheck?

Though I don't use it.

And I've developed my own scripting style over time that works very well for my needs

@netikras holy pony, you use namespaces? That's a thing?

@retoor yupp. Useful for libs. Function names can contain :, it makes scripts much more maintainable as you know which lib owns that fn