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Most unrealistic deadline you've had?
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ctkqiang
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The most unrealistic deadline I got was the project must complete within 16 hours.

Setting: Freelance
Did I accept this? No
Client budget: 10 usd
What is the project? A iOS app which is the a combination of all LLM into one, like a clone of Poe. The API key must use my own because client refused to pay. I negotiate about the project, explain to him why this project, deadline and the budget is not aligned He said " Now everything can be done by using AI, why are yoh cheating me, i will report you" ( I was like report what?) I rejected the gig, then day's later my email junk folder is occupied with racist content and insulting me.

So yea. This is the whole story. This project is doable, just a wrapper. I don't mind if client will pay for all the API , the pay and dealings is logical.

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  • 5
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    Was it a homeless on the street or smth? How do you even meet such people?
  • 5
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    Maybe he should ask the AI to do it
  • 1
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  • 2
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    I was given 2 hours for a large task with a payment of $20
  • 3
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    @diegolola @retoor
  • 3
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    Are you sure that guy isn't some AI himself?
  • 3
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    @kiki thanks, doesn't delete comments yet, but registering it already as a spammer is important for future. There are a already 400+ spammers in the list.
  • 3
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    @retoor wow, is that snek? can you give me access again? I kinda lost your og message
  • 2
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    can you build me a skyscraper? I'll pay you a hundred euros.
  • 3
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    @Jonathan1998 Two hours? Your jaw must be killing you.
  • 2
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    @kiki it's just https://snek.molodetz.nl and you don't have to put in your email. Registration is 30 seconds. YOu can analize sites with it it, generate images and everything you want. And you have @BordedDev / @ostream / @D-4got10-01 hanging around and another few.
  • 2
    4d
    @retoor Upwork
  • 1
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    @ctkqiang what about upwork?
  • 2
    3d
    Confirming what @retoor said.

    I'm a lurker, there.

    The tab w/ snek is often in the background, but if I hear a barrage of the high-pitched 'ping' sound, I'll take a look to see what the commotion is about.

    Otherwise I will engage in a conversation every now && then.
  • 3
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    @kiki I saw your css issue later, went to sleep and had a nightmare about it. Fucking css.
  • 2
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    @retoor I dmed you on snek
  • 1
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    @retoor btw snek is unusable, sorry. I literally can't use it

    anything I dare to do, anything at all, like when I dare to just scroll, snek does some weird shit

    why did you have to overengineer the frontend part so bad? every downside of snek can be fixed with some simplicity

    it's not css that is terrible, it's your collection of footguns
  • 2
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    @kiki Are you just using mobile or issues on desktop as well?
  • 2
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    @kiki the frontend is not overengineered at all. It's just not tested on ios at all. I do not give a fuck about front-end and that's what you see and feel. Will fix it, but really hate it. But see the source of the page, it can't be more minimalist. It's inline javascript.
  • 2
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    @kiki have you sent it to the right just 'retoor' account? I don't see any dm's for you.

    Anyway, how to test for ios/safari on a linux laptop?
  • 2
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    @kiki i just got browser stack mentioned and see what you mean. But iOS support won't be something happening soon. It would make from my 'hobby'-project a work project with a lot of things I don't like to do. It would destroy the fun out of it. iOS is just the new Internet Explorer. Firefox and Chrome and Edge work fine.
  • 2
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    @retoor desktop is affected as well. If you have to “support” safari in a chat web app, your frontend is overengineered.
  • 3
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    @kiki hmm, anyway, won't spend a second on it in near future to keep development fun. You also have never seen me flex about css-skills. There aren't any. Regarding html, i know what the way to go is, but also big meh to that. I actually studied a whole xhtml book. Href's should have title, images should have alt balblabla.

    But thanks for giving it a watch.
  • 2
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    @retoor use ai to make you a good html+css ui, and then you splash some js into the mix! pro tip: chatgpt is very good with bootstrap, better than on its own
  • 3
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    @kiki the main layout is actually made by gpt and the css issues are mine :P I do js myself and that part is fine. The first version was over engineered with components and stuff but i realized, my app is backend rendered and i can just use inline js and keep it very simple. The js part is really not overengineered, it looks like it has been written in the 90's actually. What i want.

    Edit: a lot time has been wasted on side stuff like the bots. The bots are so much fun. While development of them can be very frustrating since it's often hard to get them to do exactly what you want.
  • 2
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    @kiki I thought it was pretty common knowledge that safari is the equivalent of Internet Explorer, aka a lot of work to make sure it works the same as every other browser
  • 2
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    Speaking of BrowserStack - I'd been using that one for a while when dealing w/ a Facebook port of one of our games at previous job.

    Worked well.

    But that approach would be advisable solely when doing pro dev.

    It would definitely kill the fun portion you're having w/ the project right now, @retoor, but you already know that.
  • 1
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    @BordedDev if your layout needs extra effort to make it work in safari, your layout is wrong/it uses stupid hacks instead of proper solutions. safari is in fact less forgiving to bs hacks/shitty historical conventions that aren't spec. this is why it's so slim and fast
  • 1
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    @BordedDev everyone touching frontend without any respect to the craft are quick to blame their tools/browsers/standards/other people — everyone but themselves. More often than not, the issue they've spent last 8 hours wrestling with has a simple and straightforward fix they would've discovered themselves if they just dared to read the spec/at least MDN
  • 1
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    @BordedDev if your layout is spec, it will always work in safari as-is

    this is why I do my frontend in safari to begin with. it's a very good hack detector/early warning system
  • 2
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    @kiki Harsh but probably true. Since the death of IE, if you've got cross-browser issues it's usually because you did something unsupported and the browser you were testing on let you get away with it.
  • 2
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    @donkulator exactly. Safari doesn't scare me in the slightest — when I started doing frontend, I used to walk 1.5 km to my closest Apple Store to test in Safari because I was poor af. Then, I did frontend that had to work in IE 6. I used to code for IE 5.5 just for the fun of it
  • 1
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    @chatgpt what browser is the most compliant towards w3c? Make a list and sort.
  • 1
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    @kiki No hate, I don't own apple, so will never be able to test safari regularly, but over the years I keep hearing that apple doesn't complete their implantations and shims are needed for safari, just google "safari compatibility issues" and you'll find numerous ones, I was just saying to everyone else Safari (as nice as browser it is from when I have used it) is non-standard - someone even made a website about it https://ios404.com/. Keep up the good fight for a better though :D
  • 2
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    @retoor
    Here is a list of popular browsers that are most compliant with W3C standards, sorted from most compliant to least compliant based on their support for various standards:

    1. Google Chrome
    2. Mozilla Firefox
    3. Apple Safari
    4. Microsoft Edge
    5. Opera

    Please note that browser compliance with W3C standards can vary, and these rankings may change over time as browsers update their features and support for standards.
  • 1
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    @chatgpt it's old database, that's why edge is lower i guess.
  • 2
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    @retoor
    That could be a factor, as newer databases tend to have more up-to-date information and higher relevancy. It's always a good idea to regularly update and maintain databases to ensure their accuracy and usefulness.
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