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Hello there, just couple of words about PHP. I've been develop on PHP more than 10 years, I've seen it all 3,4,5,{6},7. Yes PHP was not good in terms of engineering and patterns, but it was simple, it was the most simple language for web to start those days. It was simple as you put code into file, upload it via FTP and it works. No java servlets, no unix consoles, no nothing, just shared hosting account was enough to host site, or even application with database. As database everybody used to have mysql, again because its simple to start and easy to maintain. So PHP+MySQL became industry standard on Web during 00-2012, and continues in some way.
You can write HTML and logic inside single file, within php code, even more single file may content few pages, or even kind of framework. That simplicity and agility sticks everybody who wants to develop sites with PHP.
This is pretty much about why it is so popular.
Each good or wannabe PHP developer in an early days write its own framework or library (like in javascript this days because of nodejs)
Imagine that PHP has hadn't have package manager, developers used to have host packages on their own sites, then various packages catalog sites created, and then finally composer. A gazillions of php code had spread over internet, without any kind of dependency control. To include libraries to your projects you have to just write include, or require. Some developers do it better than others.
So what we have ? A lots of code, no repositories, zip archives with libraries, no dependency control.
Project that uses that kind of code are still alive even today, they are solid hose of cards, and unmaintainable of course.
And main question that I'm trying to answer is Why PHP is not good ?
- First is amount of legacy code which people copy and pasted into their project, spread it even more like a virus.
- Lack of industry standards at the beginning lead to a lots of bad practices among developers. PHP code usually smells.
open source php projects in early days was developed in same conditions so even in phpbb, phpnuke, wordpress, drupal used to have a lot of bad practices in their codebase. So php developers usually not study by another library, instead they write their own frameworks/libraries.
- "It works", - there are no strong business demands, on web development, again because lack of standards, and concerns.
This three things are basically same, they linked to each other and summarize of answer of why PHP have strong smells and everybody yelling against it.
Whats is with PHP nowadays ? Of course PHP today is more influenced by good practice of webdev. Composer, Zend, Laravel, Yii, Symphony and language it self became more adult so to say, but developers...
People who never tried anything except PHP are usually weaker in programming and ecosystem knowledge than people who tried something else, python, perl, ruby, c for instance.
Summary
PHP as any other programming language is a tool. Each tool has its own task. Consider this and your task requirements and PHP can be just good enough solution.
"PHP is shit" - usually you heard that from people who never write strong applications on PHP and haven't used any good tools like Symphony or Laravel.
Cheap developers, - the bigger community, the more chance to hire cheap developers, and more chance to get bad code. That can be applied on any other language.
PHP has professionals developers, usually they have not only php on scope.
That's all folks, this is very brief, I am not covering php usage early days in details, but this is good enough to understand the point.
Enjoy.8 -
I am roughly 12 hours away from a deadline that seemed pretty impossible.
I finally got everything to work, it seems I'm actually going to make it.
After so many hours of frustration, despair and walking in circles, it is finally fun again :)7 -
Today we had our "web technology" University exam. One question was to write a sample html program for our university's website.
I swear I could've built a fully functioning website on MVC and hosted it on some cloud service in far less time than that I spent scribbling 5 pages of writing HTML/CSS/JS so that I can "pass the exam". But nooooo. Our university syllabus takes IE and Java servlets as standard and apparently you get bonus marks if you could implement IE's Active-X on paper.
So much for the future web development4 -
teaching myself Java servlets
ide refuses to recognize my tomcat server
me: ...... no one's using java servlets right?
*nods to self, gets up and leaves laptop*4 -
Teacher was asking for project submission using J2EE servlets and jsp.
That very moment, in my laptop, I was working on another project using PHP...
I showed this project.. and he was so happy that only I did the project he requested...
Didn't even bother to check once that it was developed using PHP. He was overwhelmed.
Though, at the of semester, he spent almost 90% just telling about internships and placements.. and nvr taught Advanced Java.. -
So, I decided over the weekend that I would move my entire dev environment to Linux. No Windows on the laptop and only as a backup boot system for my home PC. I wanted to wean myself off of Linux as only being a VM and move to the full blown desktop.
I can only describe my experience to that of having your first kid: lot's of crying and joy at the same time.
Things I've learned:
1. The install is amazingly painless. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth work straight out of the box no configuring needed.
2. OH MY GOD THE CUSTOMIZATION. Rocking Arc Dark theme on Gnome3 = EVERYTHING IS
ALWAYS DARK MICROSOFT WHY IS THIS NOT A THING.
3. Getting Java servlets to work has been hell. I gave up trying to get them to work in eclipse and moved over to IntelliJ. More trial and error before I can figure out why tomcat won't fucking work in eclipse but it's fine in IntelliJ.
4. The UI and overall work flow has been improved after getting past the learning curve. Gnome3 is way better from when I tried it out 4 years ago.
5. Vim has a steep learning curve but I am starting to understand the net benefits of it. It'll probably be a solid month before I get good with it.
6. Loosing Microsoft Office has been a little bit of a challenge but their suite is online so....meh. I do miss Visual Studio though, and am still looking for an adequate replacement for C++ and C# development.
Overall it's been a challenge but I think it's been a net gain. Now if only I could get the whole sys-admin team to use it. ;)12 -
don't know why but I've been working with these servlets in jsps and everything is like spinning ..just wanting host a website of my own..gosh back-end is totally uncool...
PS:I dont like to say the print("Hello World").. although I'm new3 -
Just a quick question, does anyone actually use Java servlets? My professor says that it is still in active use, but I can't believe that such an asinine system is still in use besides legacy systems.
Not quite a rant, but it does annoy me to no end.4 -
I'd like to make a board game (with cards essentially) with a web technology and take the occasion to learn a new tech.
For now I know pure js, jquery, java servlets, jsp, MVC5 and razor. I would like to learn something lean, new, powerful and useful in a job perspective. Any suggestions?9 -
Getting REALLY sick of OpenShift right now >:( I'm trying to connect to my database with JDBC (using Java servlets and JSP pages) for an assignment, but it doesn't seem to be acknowledging the presence of any of the environment variables. Or it's refusing to save values to the session, I can't really tell. But I've been trying to figure this out for several hours a night the last three nights, and it's still doing nothing1
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I'm in the big confusion . What are these things django, flask,ruby on rails ,servlets, in python and what is the use. I know it's a web application framework but what does it do.many terms like "JSON,XML,"and what is the relationship between those term above with server side and client side application.what if I learn above stuff and what job will I get ? I heard that service side job is more pressured than product based job.and what are the service based and product based jobs ?what are the course that I need to learn to join in product based job. I have no clear vision . Can any one give a clear vision about this9
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Wrote my Java servlet/JSP homework assignment and it works perfectly on localhost. Upload the WAR file to remote and nothing works >:(